Do a search....

Not a flame bro, but ya gotta be a lot more specific with your question. Like 'Kane said, do a search, find out a little more, then hit us with questions. Lotsa guys here who can give you 1st hand knowledge if you ask the right things.......

if you were going to start HGH do you need insulin. If so, how much when and why?

It all depends on your goals!! Do you want to bulk or do you want to lose fat??

I personally have never used slin with gh and love the way fat melts away!!

I did some research on HGH and from what I got .....the best effects for HGH is when stacked with insulin.
But the big problem is ....insulin if not done and followed right, can be lethal .
I am including some HGH within my cycle....but leaving the insulin out.
I got some advice from good people saying that HGH stacked with deca, test, D-bol......does awesome results!

Just the info I got .....and my opinion.

Ask lot's of questions and make sure that if using HGH....go see a doc for blood test first!

I'm researching the Insulin/rHgh combo myself.

Some say 4-6 iu's a day, some say twice a day,some say a lot.

I need more feedback myself...

I FOUND THIS I HOPE IT HELPS..

How to Stack: GH is best taken
in conjunction with insulin, anabolic steroids, and
t3. Insulin is extremely effective with GH, as anyone
here who has tried it will testify. This is because GH
injections cause a down regulation of insulin
sensitivity in the body. GH alone causes little growth
of lean mass, however, when combined with insulin and
steroids (and IGF-1 if you can find it), the results
can be down right remarkable...esp. in the older
bodybuilder. Start light with the humulin...5iu...and
work up 1 iu a day till you get use to it. 7 to 10iu
in the AM and 7 to 10 iu in the late afternoon, with
split doses of GH is your best bet. When splitting
GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon
after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH
production. The insulin overcomes the
insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH
supplementation. If you are scared to take insulin
thought, then Gh with Test and Glucophage is good. GH
is good for cutting if used alone. Glucophage allows
for improved glucose and amino acid absorption by the
muscle tissue and does it safely. This is what you
want. The half-life of GH is only 2 hours so spread it
out. Avoid bedtime injections since we produce the
bulk of our own GH in the first two hours of sleep.
Since exogenous GH suppresses this, you should not
take it before bed. For best results, use a 17aa oral
during the cycle to stimulate the release of natural
insulin growth factors. I would run the test
throughout. GH/insulin/test is the proven synergistic
combination. It is also wise to preload with
Testosterone before starting GH if you are going to do
it. You should preload with the amount of time it
takes for that testosterone to kick in, since most of
us take longer acting esters for testosterone you
should usually start taking the test 2 weeks before GH
use. Likewise, you can accommodate it to fit your
needs; the key is for the test to be kicking in the
same time you are starting to run your GH. You can
cycle you steroids however you want to depending on
your goals, if you are going for a more massive look
than you would run insulin for most of the cycle and
use high androgens, but if you are looking for
additional leanness at the end of a cycle you should
stop the androgens and run a higher dose of GH or run
less androgens. T3 is also another substance that
should be used during GH cycling since GH lowers
thyroid hormones. T3 should be used for shorter
periods though, because it can permanently alter the
endocrine system. The magic of GH for men is the
ability to gain mass without fat or bloating when
stacked properly with insulin, and steroids. GH also
makes for amazing improvements in skin...smoothes
wrinkles, burns stubborn spots of adipose tissue,
gives that paper-thin contest look...and also gives
one a real mood lift, a feeling of well being. Major
Difference Between GH and Steroids: Steroids can
increase the size of your muscle cells, but cannot I
repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in
your body, which to start with is governed by your
genetics. However Growth hormone CAN increase the
number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond
genetics. Half-Life of GH: Exogenous (injected) GH has
a "half-life" of approximately 2 hours . . . a 4-hour
period of activity during which there is a suppression
of naturally produced GH. GH Naturally Produced: We
release the most of our naturally produced GH during
the first two hours of deep sleep...you may take a
little time to adjust.... your body thinks you should
be in bed when that big influx hits. It is good to
take a nap, that�s when you grow anyway. It always
helps to take naps after workouts and injections
everyday

Hello Intimid8or3,

Great post. Very usefull info for me since I am just starting to use slin with hgh

Resco65

no problem

I'll give it a shot (no pun)! Thanks bro!

totally need to search bro- I used to take 18 IU HGH for the 1st 10 days of a month, none for the other 20 days, and slin always ran high when I learned how to manipulate it right- got up to 60+ IU a day, but I would NEVER reccommend it to anyone. 25-35 max. This was also Humalog, the fastest acting. When I used Humalin-R, the highest dose was 40 IU a day in 3 doses.

Sorry intimid8r your post was nearly 100% wrong!
Best way to use it when using Fast acting " R". Take max 15 iu immediately after workout, then 15 mins later 100g dextrose with 50g protein (isolate), 10g glutamine, 10g creatine. 15 minutes later 50g dextrose, 25g protein.
Have third shake for the first week using insulin another 15 mins later of just 25g dextrose.
Be sure to have had large amount of complex carbs for breakfast well prior to workout. Minimun carbs per day when using insulin is 400g EXCLUDING shakes. "R" will be active for about 4 hours after shot which makes it safer and less BF accumaltes because you are using up the sugars after workout. Seems to be a split as to which is better R or reg but most seem to agree R is safer due to it's shorter acting life. NEVER under any circumstances take insulin within 8 hours of sleeping, your sugar could drop and you could die in your sleep.
You need to check your blood sugar levels 3 - 4 times after workout for safety and also to get to know what each level feels like so you can know when to take action if necessary.
Avoid fruit as it can slow down digestion of dextrose.
Always carry glucose tabs with you, everywhere you go and have them handy and easy to reach especially when driving.
Make sure your partner knows what you are doing and go over emergency plan. If you start sweating after a shot dial 911 and tell them the TRUTH.
Make sure you ASPIRATE when takng a shot of insulin, if you shoot into blood stream directly it will shock your system to fast.
Write a note with what you do and keep it in your pocket, if you start to pass out take it out so that paramedics will know.
Rotate each shot site and always use alcohol wipe to clean area first as you just worked out.
Have your dart pre loaded and shakes made before working out so you don't make mistakes.
On a bulk up don't split your GH shots up, do it all 15 mins prior to bed with no carbs for 4 hours prior. Insulin and insulin response from carbs will destroy the GH so keep them well apart. Only split Gh when dieting for contest, 25%am, 25% afternoon,50% pm.
Use T3 (cytomel) on after 4 wks and use for no more than 4 wks then continue on a 4wk on/4 off cycle until finished.
GH DOES NOT create new muscle cells , it simply makes muscle fibers that were dormant active and the insulin / AAS combo causes them to hypertrophy with the T3 regulating the thyroid.
GH should always be taken at 15 minutes prior to bed time and NEVER NEVER NEVER take naps after insulin, you could die!

Hello Medhead,

Informative post. You say do not do insulin and hgh at the same time, but I thought I read that they worked best if used together. Perhaps the article meant, together, use both, and I assumed it meant at same time. If you are right, and I assume you are, I just blew 2 weeks of insuland
and hgh since I used them together at the SAME TIME OF DAY. I also read to use the hgh in the morning rather than at bedtime. Could I have been wrong again ? I would appreciate your comments since you seem so knowledgeable.

Thanks,

Resco

Hey Resco,
Hate to say it, but doing the gh at the same time destroys the gh.
When they say do it togethere they mean in the same cycle.
Insulin earlier in the day and gh at nighttime at least 8 hrs after insulin.
Reason being, at night is when your body produces more gh and it is also when you least need insulin. Gh at night compliments your natural regulators.
Insulin sucks blood sugar from the blood stream, Gh will elevate (hyperglycemia) blood sugars if carbs present. Two opposing objectives.