150mg/wk winny-v weeks 1-7
200mg/wk Primobolan depot weeks 1-7
clomid start week 7
weeks 8 and 9 clen
i've been up in the air between 200 and 300 with the primo, cause it's gonna be pricey, since it's a first cycle i've been told 200 should be fine. it's gonna be more of a cutting cycle. thoughts?
I don't mean to bust your balls bro, but with that much time on the board and that many posts, I would have thought someone would have done a little more research by now...with that said...
Your primo dose is too low, your winny dose is too high. You won't get anything from the primo, run it at 400-600mg for atleast 8-10 weeks. Primo is anabolic and weak mg/mg. Winny should be run at 50mg ED for about 6 weeks...reason being, I bet any money your joints won't take any more than that. Start clomid 3 weeks AFTER LAST SHOT.
Pricey? you bet your ass it is. That's why most opt for EQ instead of primo.
One last question, where is the test? You should add some test in there.
forget the primo. too expensive.
Winny needs to be injected ED or at least EOD. try 50mgs wk 1-6.
You already have daily injections with the winny, so use some prop too. I wouldn't recommmend daily injections for a 1st cycle(nor would I recommend a cutting cycle) but to each his own.
I would say screw the cutting cycle. Cut naturally with OTC supplements if you want to get lean, then save your money for a true bulking cycle in the future.
well i orginally was gonna go with test and others. but i was advised this by someone from here who has more experience than I. the reason i was gonna go with the primo and winny was cause i didn't wanna have to deal with the bloat from test over the summer. this was just gonna be a summer thing to start with. then after summer i was gonna do for a more serious cycle.
shorts you said 150mg/week of winny would be too high, but then u said it should be 50mg/ED, wouldn't that be much higher than 150mg/ WEEK? yes i've been around for a while, and i've read alot of things that contradict alot of others.
the winny would have been 50mg/ EOD.
btw..i know it's pricey, but that's not an issue.
forget the primo. too expensive.
winny needs to be injected ED or at least EOD. try 50mgs wk 1-6.
You already have daily injections with the winny, so use some prop too. I wouldn't recommmend daily injections for a 1st cycle(nor would I recommend a cutting cycle) but to each his own.
I would say screw the cutting cycle. Cut naturally with OTC supplements if you want to get lean, then save your money for a true bulking cycle in the future.
also i have been cutting naturally with eca. i'm down about 15lbs since spring break.
also i should add i'm not really looking to put on a lot of weight with this cycle...more to lower bf and keep what i have, maybe gain a couple
.shorts you said 150mg/week of winny would be too high, but then u said it should be 50mg/ED, wouldn't that be much higher than 150mg/ WEEK? yes i've been around for a while, and i've read alot of things that contradict alot of others.
the winny would have been 50mg/ EOD.
Oops, I was reading too quickly, I thought that I read 150mg ED...Half life of winny is 9 hours, so ED would be best. You can always put it in a shot glass and down it too.
Sometimes I do sound harsh...I don't realize it until after I post it and re-read it. Sorry bro.
EQ gives very similar results as primo, also without bloat, and about half the price. If it wasn't so damned expensive though, I would love to try it myself.
yea i was told that the EOD wouldn't be that significant of a diff. i don't really wanna be a pin cushion if ya hear me. this way i'd only be injected 3 times a week and the primo would be twice a week.
that cycle is a complete waste of time and money
primo is useless below 400mg/week
too weak for me, ill let the girls use primo
run eq, test, winny, and get some Arimidex to kill the bloat
if ur gonna do AAS do it right or dont do it at all
THE CYCLE GURU
thanks for the input, i'm just looking for all points of view. the person who recommended this to me should be online later to comment.
stivard, what would you replace with?...doses?
forget the lean out bullshit.if u r just conscerned about hardening up, get some clen and diet down. wait until the fall to hit the stack.
i would go with test/deca or test/eq. u'll put on more weight with deca, but it will be leaner gains with eq. for both i would hit 500t and 400d or eq. get some nolva or arim and handle your shit. u obviously have enough info to do the right thing if u have been posting for this long. u r just confused and the stuff u r hearing isn't what u wanna hear. i feel where u r coming from, man. believe me, u wanna do this shit the right way. don't waste your first cycle on primo+winni. the only reason u should use that combo is to peak for a contest. primo is for conditioning only, and is a total waste if u r over 8%bf, regardless of the dosage. not flamin. just speakin my mind.
forget the lean out bullshit.if u r just conscerned about hardening up, get some clen and diet down. wait until the fall to hit the stack.
exactly! save your hard earned money for a real cycle. Do a traditional mass cycle whenever you think you are lean enough.
who recommended that? anyways, listen to stivard and shortz...
here is how I would do it if you want to use primo and winny.
week 1-10 400mg primo per week
week 1-10 500mg prop per week
week 7-13 winny at 50mg/day
winny's half life is 9 hours- that means you need to shoot it everyday. period
if you don't want to be a pincushion, try what the others have suggested and use test and eq.
test prop 500mg/week for 12 weeks
eq at 400mg/week for 12 weeks
simple and effective and little bloat with alot of vascularity.
max.
**The author in no way condones the use, sale or purchase of illegal substances.
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QUIT!
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Yo Mac, look...
These dudes is givin' bullshit advice on cycles they ain't ever even took!
Go ahead...aks 'em where they got it...
they'll say it's from some old-ass Duchaine or Phillips manual
this or that guru's underground book, just chock fulla knowledge...
Worse yet?
Some archived article written by a source
(aka "soon to be crook")
Again,
LOOK...
they're tryin' to take your ass--
hook,
line,
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citin' "innanet knowledge"
You know the mentality--
hang around Bolex long enough,
And you're an automatic graduate of the board's vet college
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Man I told ya'll punks to quit
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These postin' whore-bitches ain't takin' no real life's classes
Postin' porn for 3 years straight--
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Clean anabolics,
maybe a little low-dose GH
Do that and you'll be just like me:
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P-Unit and I'm out, beotches!
well ponderer is who recommended that to me..originally i was gonna do a low dose test like 600mg/week, ponderer suggested that i might as well just keep cutting for the summer and not have to worry about the more frequent sides of the test in the summer. and i can do a cycle more like what you guys are talking about in the fall. on a side note i'm waiting on my buddy to get back to me with prices depending on that i'll prolly either make the winny ED or bump up the primo...i'll see what's more cost effective. i'm not looking to gain 20 lbs or anything. my parents give me enough shit thinking i'm on when i havent even done a cycle yet. this is more to preserve the muscle i have...maybe gain a couple of pounds and to get me used to stickin' myself. then in the fall i'm sure you guys'll be much more approving of what i'm planning.